Does ignorance save you from hell?

Maraming tao ang nagiging ignorante sa salita ng dios dahil sa maraming dahilan tulad ng mga tao sa paligid mo, pamilya mo, kulang sa guidance at pag tuturo, etc.

Pano kung ignorante ang tao, mapupunta ka ba sa hell or heaven? Unfair naman ata kung wala kang ka-alam alam at mapupunta ka sa hell.

Panu na ang mga adik, ang mga kriminal, ang mga squater na lumaki sa hirap at kasalanan.

Ang mga baby na namatay o biktima ng abortion. Ang mga makasalanang tao na biktima din ng krimen tulad ng murder. Ang mga kriminal na nasistensyahan ng kamatayan.

Panu sila ma liligtas? Isama mo pa ang mga tribu at mga nsa malalayong lugar kung saan bihira or imposible ang salita ng diyos.

What is your personal point of view?

Note: Please prevent posting bible verses. Members here are more interested in your personal view rather than sayings from the bible. Thanks!

ignorant pipol makes their minds more curious 'bout wats good and bad.. i would say in some points of religion, i'm ignorant but stil i have my conscience to prevent me from getting into worst things..

its not faith but fearing of the unknown..( i meant god )..

ignorance about religion = a good thing.. i mean..what about those people in secluded areas?..that have yet to be discovered by society.. do you think they would go to hell just because they dont know there is a god?. i think its immoral..

Most religion said that if you dont believe in god you'll go to hell. Some religion even said that if you are not a member of their group, you'll go to hell.. Ibig sabihin kahit mabait kang tao at gumagawa ka ng tama sa iyong kapwa kung nde ka nininiwala sa diyos ay sa impierno ka pa rin mapupunta... At nasulat daw sa biblia na limitado (less than a million) na lang ang mapupunta sa langit at ito ay nakalaan na sa mga religious leaders and saints. There is no room in heaven, good people will be saved on their second lifetime but not in heaven. There is no hell, there is no heaven but a second lifetime, a life with immortality, peace, love and prosperity. Nakuha ko lang ang impormasyon na ito sa ibang religious group.

BTW, may hell ba? ang gago ko kausap. Seriously, kahit noon pa man kahit hindi pa nageexist ang Bibliya at hindi pa dumadating si Hesus sa Mundo may mga sinasamba na ang mga tao(Pagano). Ang punto dito, hindi lang kaignorantehan kundi katangahan din ng isang tao ang hindi magsaliksik kung saan s'ya nanggaling. Seeking for a divine being is innate(I believe). Unless siguro kung ipinanganak ka namatay ka agad or kung noong ipinanganak ka, ay baliw ka na. Sa mga pelikula my mga katutubo/tribo o kung ano pa mang sector ng mga tao na malayo sa sibilisasyon ang may Diyos(hindi nga lang si Jesus). This is detached from the real world, but I gave it as an example. So, Ignorance DOES NOT save you from hell. This is a mere opinion, weak.

well i'm damn crap wasted this night so I wont make any further explanation.. ingnorance doesnt save you from hell or anything, I mean if you killed someone and you dont know that killing is a crime as youre ignorant about it. ThaT wont make you escape from the mess that you've done. for just being ignorant.. edi sana lahat na lang ng tao nagkunwaring ignorante para makatakas sa kasalanan.

being ignorant of something doesn't save you from anything.

on the other hand, it may cause you to fall.

Matatawag din bang ignorance kapag naniniwala ka naman kay God, may faith ka naman sa kanya.. pero dahil personally, mayroon kang questions (mga what ifs?), di ka nagsisimba every Sunday...

Is that also ignorance, knowing that as Christians, Sunday masses should be observed/celebrated?

^ faith..not religion..saves us...

nasa tao na tlga ang pananampalataya sa kanyang gustong paniwalaan.
marami nagsisimba nga..pero dahil "kelangan" lang...anong use pa non diba?

.as time goes by there a lots of religion and org. that have diff beliefs bout god,sin heaven hell etc. and they keeps deafeating for wat they believe in. they tolerate people to belive them..the question is are they good enough to tolerate poeple do they know wat they believe in?and did they know the meaning of the word IGNORANCE?






HALIMBAWA:

may isang pinag hihinalaan baliw at nakapatay ito ng isang pamilya,pagkatpos ng ilang taon napatunayan na siya ay inosente..dahil nga sa siya ay inosentE malaya niya magagwa ang mga gusto niya gawin?



paano kung hindi palA baliw ang pumatay at itoy ngapapangap lang maibabalik pa ba ang buhay na kinitil niya at sapat naba ang lahat ng basehan para hatulan itong inosente?






POOPLE CANT TELL THINGS ACCURATELY?SO DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH RYT TO JUDGE?






ISA PANG MASASABI KO:UGALI NABABAGO KONSENSYA HINDI!!

Maligayang pasko james..
Merry xmas dn sa lahat ng andito. :]

for me yes.

^^y u think so? pls lng paki-expalin sa amin..

I guess the right question should have been...

Is there really a hell in the first place?

Eto lang yun, HELL is what you make of it. --- Every culture and every religion have what their concept of what "HELL" is.

In order to fully grasp the question in this thread, we will have to eliminate first that "HELL" is limited only to the Christian religion. Hell in itself takes in many forms and names depending on what culture and what religion it is based.

This now leads to a lot of complications... which is the one true religion and which belief system is right? It would even boil down to... which hell is what hell and if hell really exists???

On a personal note --- I do not believe in hell and I do not believe in heaven.

Hell and/or the concept of hell is relative, just the same as the concept of what is good and what is evil is relative. ---
meaning... some things may be good to me but not to you and some things may be evil to me and not you and vice versa. Some things may seem wrong to me but not necessarily wrong for others... and some things may seem right to me but others may not share the same idea of my concept of what is right.

I would like to rebutt the comment earlier in this thread that said "God's Word (Christian god?) has his ways of reaching other people"
--- how sure are you about that? --- out of the billions of people in the world how sure can you be that it will reach every single person? -- let's face it, reality says it won't and even if it did, it will take a lot of effort to convince another to convert or convince another person who believes otherwise to accept that what you preach is the right and absolute truth.

The Concept of HELL in the first place was simply created to instill fear in people. It becomes the driving force to lead people to do what the ideal of the religion or belief system dictates.

Again, on a personal note -- i see nothing wrong with this. If you feel that your fear will lead you to do what you believe is true and good... then why not, right? If at the back of your head the concept of hell will help you avoid what you feel or think is evil... then thats fine.

So going back to the question.... Does ignorance save you from HELL??? --- Ignorance of what? Christianity and of the Christian GOD?... of Islam and of Allah?... or of whatever religion and other gods associated to it?

Think again.... the answer to this question would simply be - I DO NOT KNOW

Does a person's ignorance of whatever (may it be good deeds, God, etc) send him to hell? --- I don't think so. Because if it is so, who are you to judge and say that the ignorant will burn in hell? Are you god?

Does my non-belief of hell condemn myself to your hell? If so, who are you to tell me so?

Every person, regardless of religion or faith create their own demons and their own concept of condemnation. May they consciously know it or not.
Every person would of course have the slightest idea, which of their ways are good and which of their ways are evil.

I guess what really counts is how you lived this life. How you helped others based on what you know is good and if you have stepped on other people's toes in the duration of this existence. It is not ignorance that will dictate if you will be saved or not.

Think again.

noped...

kc naman wlang pinipili c kamatayan wahahahahha.. or c lucifer.. un lng un weh..

in pipols eyes ur good and great.. but in jesus eyes and lucifers lips.. u have another side... an evil side..

^^There are some instances in which the sharing, the knowledge of Christianity, and the Bible are to far to reach. Like mga tribo ek ek. They were not given a chance to know at least a glimpse of God's existence. So how do they know that sinning is bad and how do they know that there is heaven and hell? Wouldn't it be unfair that they'll be thrown in hell albeit of their ignorance about those things?

So in your POV, does ignorance saves you from hell?

e yung mga victims ng abortion. they already have a soul when they were on the womb of their mother. they dont have the knowledge that god exist. they are ignorant.

what about those victims of murder or tragic accident. Sa heaven ba sila mapupunta dahil biktima sila ng krimen kahit na sila ay makasalanang tao?

e yung mga criminals sentenced to death? hindi nila ginustong mamatay kahit masama silang tao. Batas ng tao ang naghusga sa buhay nila.

what will happen to them? hell or heaven?

dahil kung sa heaven sila mapupunta I'd rather choose to be a killed on these situations to have eternal life in heaven.

We should not assume that they already have soul. Up to date, when does life begin?Ӕ is an intricate philosophical question that often leads to a very intense debate. Most of the time, the debate is mostly integrated with beliefs (social, cultural, religious, etc.) of an individual or a group. The point is, no one wins because they have different standings about the matter. Thus the debate is never-ending and there is no answer.

Assuming that they already have souls, even Priest, Ministers, or Pastors do believe that those little Angels will be by Gods side right after abortion. Yes they are ignorant, but they didnҒt sin. The point is actually moot, but churchs highest authorities believe that theyҒll be saved. They are lucky.

About the second and third situation, are those criminals and victims of accident/murder ignorant? If they are not, well, I think they wont be saved from hell.

There is actually no disparity if you died earlier or not/expected or unexpected (maybe the time), but the point is youҒd lived and you were given the chance to change and repent. Still they are not ignorant.

Same as the situation of the criminals sentenced to death, they have time to repent. They are well aware that they will die. They just dont know when they would die. Moreover, theyҒve sinned albeit it aint their decision that their life would end. It is not suicide anyway. The sad thing is, theyҒll die beyond their will and they will be cast in hell, if they dont believe.


IҒm not saying that hell is true and I have no intention of proving its existence. Im just talking in behalf of those who believe that it exist.

nung dati ala pa akong bisyo,mejo mahilig ako magbasa ng bible...
sabi dun,mas mabuti pa daw ung alang alam,maliligtas daw..,
kesa dun sa my alam na,nagkukunwaring alang alam...

Victims of abortion are so lucky? Parang ngyayari "I'd rather be ignorant so that i can go to heaven to have eternal life." Mas mahirap kasi maniwala sa Diyos at mag pakabait para lang mapunta sa heaven. isn't it unfair?

That is sooo true. I'd rather be ignorant too if that's the case. Well, life's always unfair. The bright side is those aborted children didn't experienced living here on earth, we did, we are.

Yun nga lang mas malaki yung pagkakataon na mapunta ang maraming tao sa hell kasi masyadong madaming "temptations"sa mundo. Again, life is unfair.

Talking of being unfair, isn't it much more unjustified if those aborted children be thrown in hell, no chance to prove themselves that they are worthy to be in heaven, no chance to feel the transitory good things in this world.

Btw, the miserable thing is we can not choose to be ignorant. It is impossible that someone told us about God, heaven and hell and then suddenly tried to cut it out of our mind. Knowing that we would be saved if we're rather ignorant. That's is not ignorance at all. For a thousand time, life is really unfair.

Hell is what you make of it .

What is Hell to you in the first place? Satan with his burning pools of fire?

How sure are you that when you say the premise "IGNORANCE WILL NOT SAVE YOU FROM HELL?" --- are you sure that this is the absolute truth? No one knows really right? ....

You are just saying that in the premise of the catholic mentality.... what of buddhists? What of hindus? What of Wiccans and the old pagan religions? What of old cultures and tribes ... If you take time to learn these religions they have very beautiful teachings and practices..... will they be thrown into the "Christian/Catholic version of hell", just because they have a different religion or a different belief or do not know that the Christian God exists? --- i think that is being just way too short sighted in my opinion.

To say that those ignorant of the Catholic faith and those who refuse to practice the christian faith (thus being "ignorant") will be thrown in hell is being too fundamental and fascist ... and the premise simply isn't right.



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What if I say .... Hell does not exist...

I may be wrong .... I may be right.....

Just the same as you would say ...." Yes there is a HELL" --- yet again.... you dont know that for sure ... so you may be right and yet you may be wrong.....

Eto nalng.... it is best if we do not superimpose our beliefs too much when you have no basis for its actual truth.

So, if "hindi pa napapatunayan na hindi nga talaga nageexist ang hell" (as your words would say), wala na dapat pagusapan. Kasi di pa pala napapatunayan yung sinasabing pupuntahan mo kung sakali nga ignorant ka, if it will or will not save you from hell.

Parang ....di ba dapat you define what hell is first, before you ask that question of whether ignorance will save you or not? --- therefore, those who say you will go to hell by being ignorant assumes there is a hell.... but what of the others who don't believe in hell, will they burn in hell too? Just because they chose to be ignorant that hell may exist?

So parang ang dating... people here who say ignorance will not save you from hell ...it is as if that person has just condemned the other person, the unbeliever or the ignorant to a place that is fictious or debatable in existence???

so i guess what im saying and what I am pointing at is :
FACT: Nobody can trully answer the question posted in this topic, nobody definitely knows for sure.

As far as I have back-read this thread all your answers are based on faith but not on facts.

Kasi kung ikaw nga di mo mapatunayan kung meron or wala ngang hell, so why even ask if one will end up there?

Where's the foundation that will tell you that it is there and that you will end up there if you are or choose to be ignorant of the so called "Christian GOD" ---? Faith lang? Wala na bang mas solid dun... puro faith nalng lagi ?

And as I said earlier : It is best if we do not superimpose our beliefs too much when you have no basis for its actual truth.

LOL, I didn't say that, I just mentioned that nonexistence of hell ain't proven yet. You can discuss the (non)existence of the hell, but it would be proper to discuss such at separate topic.

Why not discuss?... it doesn't mean that something does not exist it's out of discussion. Let's just assume it exist.

If you don't believe in hell, then try not to question its existence.
If people would debate about its existence first rather than the topic, that would make it useless and unfair for those who believe that hell is true.
If you would continue to rebut its existence, there is no chance for those who believes in it to discuss the matter they believe in.

You might think that it's unfair for those who don't believe in hell. But if I were you, just make a separate topic and discuss its nonexistence there.

[quote="Anhura":2ewn7bdw]As far as I have back-read this thread all your answers are based on faith but not on facts.

Kasi kung ikaw nga di mo mapatunayan kung meron or wala ngang hell, so why even ask if one will end up there?

Where's the foundation that will tell you that it is there and that you will end up there if you are or choose to be ignorant of the so called "Christian GOD" ---? Faith lang? Wala na bang mas solid dun... puro faith nalng lagi ?

And as I said earlier : It is best if we do not superimpose our beliefs too much when you have no basis for its actual truth.[/quote:2ewn7bdw]

Yeah you are right, faith is the substance of my belief. So what then? Is there something wrong with that? Not everyone needs solid proof. For them, faith is enough. If it's not enough for you, you can do nothing then for it is their life. And fyi, no one here is imposing belief, we are just assuming.

Btw, are you even sure that facts are truth? Know first the difference between facts and truth.

Besides, what's wrong when those who has the same belief tackle about this matter? You afraid that we will persuade those who don't believe in hell, that it's really true? If you are afraid, isn't it that you are the one imposing that hell does not exist?

Let me paraphrase what you just said: It is best if we do not superimpose our beliefs too much (redundant) whether that belief has basis or simply faith. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

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OT: Nyek, eh hindi naman ako nakikipag argue noh. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> and not at all.... we're all cool here. No offense meant either. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Well I guess we can proceed then. Yun lang naman, sorry din if I sounded rude or imposing but it was meant the other way (yan kasi mahirap pag di mo nakikita facial expression ng kausap mo LOL <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->)

True, but is it unfair? Kasalanan ng mga Kristiyano na hindi mapaabot sa kanila ang gospel ni God, pero sila mapupunta sa impyerno kasi hindi sila naniniwala sa Diyos dahil hindi naman nila alam na may Diyos.

[quote="aninz":g0mazaey]Ignorance of the WORD, the Bible or whatever religious and spiritual beliefs will not save you from hell... neither does knowledge of these things will do. It is your deeds that will save you from hell. Whether you know or not, what matters is how you lived your life for and with other people.
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as long na gumagawa ka ng mabuti MAYBE save kna from hell
unlike dun sa mga basa ng basa simba ng simba attend ng prayer rally etc. and then after that anung ginagawa pagkatapos??chismisan, siraan at kung anu anu pa? isipin natin nangyayari tlaga yan!
at di ba mas nakakabastos un sa dyos nyo?